100% Electric Vehicles

[WTXJ]

Ah which dealership in "Midland" can I pick up one of the above cars? Would like to shop a few different models first.

[cosmic mariner]

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MITSUBISHI MOTORS TO BEGIN RETAIL SALES OF ELECTRIC CAR IN 2009

Mitsubishi Motors Corp. will start selling its i MiEV plug-in electric vehicle to retail customers next summer, a year ahead of schedule, The Nikkei learned Wednesday.

The automaker had initially planned to start leasing the minicar-based vehicle to businesses and municipalities next summer and to wait until 2010 for the retail launch. But it moved up the retail release in light of smoother-than-expected preparations for mass production and the favorable sales conditions created by runaway gasoline prices.




Mitsubishi i MiEV Sport (video)




Carmakers' Plug-in Plans

Americas top-selling car companies have plans to bring plug-in technology mainstream. Here's what they're working on.




Electric Mini Cooper Test Drive (video) 200 mile range; "Green is the new bling"




BMW to Make Electric Mini. Only in California. Only 500 of Them.





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Cars After The Age of Oil



Plug-In Wisdom
Electric Hybrids Make Green, Economic, Security Sense



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[Vendetta]

Remember people, it's not electric, it's battery operated.

Generally speaking, electric devices plug into a wall & use a cord.

Rechargeable devices (like this car) are battery operated.

The fact that their calling it electric instead of what it really is (battery operated) is similiar to calling a used car "previously enjoyed".

Do they mention how long they expect the batteries to go before you have to replace them?

Do they mention how much replacement batteries will cost the owner or if it's covered by the warranty?

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Manufacturing logjam broken : Tesla Roadsters delivered to customers






Cars After The Age of Oil


Plug-In Wisdom
Electric Hybrids Make Green, Economic, Security Sense


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[Scared Frenchman]

Again, nothing more than toys for the rich. A sports car, priced at $90K+ has no practical use by the average person and therefore is a waste in and of itself.

[bob]

Remember people, it's not electric, it's battery operated.

Generally speaking, electric devices plug into a wall & use a cord.

Rechargeable devices (like this car) are battery operated.

The fact that their calling it electric instead of what it really is (battery operated) is similiar to calling a used car "previously enjoyed".

Do they mention how long they expect the batteries to go before you have to replace them?

Do they mention how much replacement batteries will cost the owner or if it's covered by the warranty?

What happens when everyone park their electric cars at night and plug them
in for a charge at the same time?

[bigfatfurrytexan]

What happens when everyone park their electric cars at night and plug them
in for a charge at the same time?

That is the great part. During night time hours, you have what are considered "non peak" hours. Electricity is still generated, and much of it is wasted. It is very inefficient. You would be charging your vehicle during a time when the provider does business at a greatly reduced efficiency, and your usage would be a benefit to them. The theory goes: it would then reduce electricity cost due to increased profit margins for the provider. Yeah, right. LOL

[bob]

When everyone is charging their cars at night, those might become "peak" hours. We aren't talking about 4 NiMH AA's.

[Vendetta]

What happens when everyone park their electric cars at night and plug them
in for a charge at the same time?

A full size electric car hasn't come out yet that I know of.
I'm talking a practicle vehicle.
A mid-size 4 door with a trunk you can actually fit a full sized stroller into along with the diaper bag & pack & play.

So I have no idea what it takes to trickle charge something significantly bigger than what is out there now.



I can say this though, just getting my car started in the winter time sucks.
I can't imagine having one of these cars up north without a garage.

[Vendetta]

Charging a Tesla roadster from household outlet could take 30 hours!
Posted Jul 6th 2008 at 8:09PM by Sam Abuelsamid

Filed under: EV/Plug-in, Tesla Motors



The gang from Tesla left their Silicon Valley home base to pay a visit to the vicinity of the Big Apple this week. Part of the purpose of the trip was to spend some time with some of the people in the area who've plunked down cash toward a Roadster but haven't yet taken delivery (which would be almost everyone on the customer list at this point). One interesting note in the article from Greenwich Time is the length of time required to charge up the Roadster's battery. They note that charging the battery from a normal household outlet could take up to 30 hours. The Roadster's battery has a capacity of 53kWh. Tesla quotes a charge time of 3-3.5, but that is based on charging from a 220V 80A circuit. If, on the other hand, you plug the car into a typical outlet in your living room, you would only have 15A flowing at 110V. That's 53,000W / (110V * 15) = 32.12 hours. So if you plan to get yourself a plug-in electric car with any kind of serious range, be prepared to have an electrician install a high current outlet to charge it. At the very least you'll want a 220V/40A circuit for overnight charging in 6-7 hours.

http://www.autobloggreen.com/2008/07...ld-take-30-ho/

Here are some numbers on charging up a Tesla.
I guess actual cost to run depends on your cost per KWh.

with the original cost of the vehicle figured in plus cost to replace the batteries after 3 to 4 yrs.

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I CONFESS I DO NOT KNOW HOW MUCH MORE ELECTRICITY A 100% BATTERY ELECTRIC MIGHT PULL FROM THE GRID THAN A HEV, BUT EVEN CHARGING 80 MILLION 100% BATTERY ELECTRIC VEHICLES AT NIGHT DURING OFF-PEAK HOURS WOULD MAKE A SIGNIFICANT CONTRIBUTION TO REDUCING OUR DEPENDENCE ON FOREIGN OIL. IT WOULD OBVIOUSLY TAKE A NUMBER OF YEARS BEFORE OUR EXISTING GRID WOULD BE TAXED BY 100% BEVs, SO GRID IMPROVEMENTS COULD BE MADE AS MORE AND MORE BEV100s AND HEVs ARE SOLD.




Mileage from megawatts: Study finds enough electric capacity to "fill up" plug-in vehicles across much of the nation

"Since gasoline consumption accounts for 73 percent of imported oil, it is intriguing to think of the trade and national security benefits if our vehicles switched from oil to electrons," added PNNL energy researcher Rob Pratt. "Plus, since the utilities would be selling more electricity without having to build more plants or power lines, electricity prices could go down for everyone."

Lightner noted that "the study suggests the idle capacity of the electric power grid is an underutilized national asset that could be tapped to vastly reduce our dependence on foreign oil."

The study also looked at the impact on the environment of an all-out move to PHEVs. The added electricity would come from a combination of coal-fired and natural gas-fired plants. Even with today's power plants emitting greenhouse gases, the overall levels would be reduced because the entire process of moving a car one mile is more efficient using electricity than producing gasoline and burning it in a car's engine.





U.S. Could Plug In Most Cars
The U.S. Department of Energy release a study on Monday finding there is enough “off-peak” electrical capacity to power 84 percent of the country’s 220 million vehicles if they were so-called “plug-in” hybrids.




Are Electric Cars The Answer?
Can Electric Cars End Our Oil Addiction (video)




Giving Back



Electric Cars Help Wean America's Oil Dependence

"The national security angle went like this: currently we're funding both sides in the war on terror, taxing ourselves to pay for the military and, at the same time, because of a rapacious appetite for oil, sending petro-dollars to regimes that fund our enemies.

Since most of the oil we import is used to fuel transportation, a car that uses little or no gasoline would be a potent weapon in the global struggle with militant Islamists. And, of course, that car wouldn't be spewing greenhouse gases, which brings us to the plug-in hybrid electric car.



Bush: US Must "Get Off Oil"

"President Bush said Wednesday that the United States has to "get off oil" to reduce dependence on foreign suppliers and declared "it should be obvious" that high demand is creating painful gasoline prices."



SetAmericaFree.org


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[Scared Frenchman]

Again, $90k+ sportscars are a waste for the average American. The people who buy them probably drive internal combustion vehicles and use the Tesla for fun.

[cosmic mariner]

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AZ Smart Car


The FIRST Electric Smart Car available in North America!

OFFICIAL RELEASE DATE: EARTH DAY (APRIL 22, 2008)!

DOT approved for daily use - Assembled in the USA!

3 years/36,000 miles and 5 years/100,000 miles warranty on battery.

Costs less than $4.00 a week to charge (possibly less in some areas).

Capable of producing a normal speed of 55 to 60 MPH, with cruising speed of up to 75 MPH!

Range of 320 miles (@ 55-60 MPH - about 200 miles @ 75 MPH) on a single charge.

Short charge with onboard generator: 2 hours. Fully charged in about 8 hours.

Built on the Smart ForTwo Coupe/Cabrio chassis for a safe, comfortable ride, with interior and luggage space to spare.




Deutsche Bank: Electric Cars Could Wipe Gas Cars off the Map


"The electric car scheme is viable in America, too. The assumption that it would make a cost-effective investment only in tiny nations with sky-high taxes and outrageous prices at the pump is dead wrong.

How do they know?

Because Deutsche Bank crunched the numbers and found this. It will cost no more than seven cents to drive one mile under the Project Better Place scheme, including battery and electricity costs. Compare that with 24 cents per mile in Europe in a gas-powered car, and 15 to 20 cents per mile in America."






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[Scared Frenchman]

Cosmic,

What type of vehicle do you drive currently?