Got kicked out of church

[westtexasmom]

Tell me this: what were you hoping to accomplish by calling her a bigot?

The paragraphs above are wonderful... I can see you possibly getting her to ponder the good merits of organized religion, but at first all you did was call her a Bigot.

I'm sure if someone made a comment about pitbulls she would try to educate them with endearing stories about her personal pitbulls and not call them idiots or something similar from the start.

Might depend on my mood...........somedays I am more willing to over look stupidity than other days. Hey I got it, he knows I got it, its all good. SF and I have been going at this for a while now, we live on other sides of the coin, its ok. Somedays we mesh, somedays we don't..........its all good.

Thanks and love ya all!!!

[westtexasmom]

I will tell you a little story..........I know eyes rolling.........anyway........

My ex and I decided to get married in the church before my father got too ill to attend and could still walk me down the isle. But in order to do this we wanted to do it at their church so my father would not have to travel. Well since we had kids already the church refused, REFUSED.............said we lived in sin..........ok well I'm trying to fix that now, but yet you REFUSE to help me. I want my father to see me married in his church before he died. NEVER HAPPENED.............that is my baggage.

Note: I have FAITH............

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1. confidence or trust in a person or thing: faith in another's ability.
2. belief that is not based on proof: He had faith that the hypothesis would be substantiated by fact.
3. belief in God or in the doctrines or teachings of religion: the firm faith of the Pilgrims.
4. belief in anything, as a code of ethics, standards of merit, etc.: to be of the same faith with someone concerning honesty.
5. a system of religious belief: the Christian faith; the Jewish faith.

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[bob]

I will tell you a little story..........I know eyes rolling.........anyway........

My ex and I decided to get married in the church before my father got too ill to attend and could still walk me down the isle. But in order to do this we wanted to do it at their church so my father would not have to travel. Well since we had kids already the church refused, REFUSED.............said we lived in sin..........ok well I'm trying to fix that now, but yet you REFUSE to help me. I want my father to see me married in his church before he died. NEVER HAPPENED.............that is my baggage.

Baggage is a bad thing. We carry baggage because we refuse to let it go. We think that we always must have it with us.

Cast all your cares on Him; for he cares for you. 1 Peter 5:7

When we carry a chip on our shoulder it is at its root just pride. Pride is the most difficult, deepest set sin that besets us.

And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors. Matt 6:12

[westtexasmom]

Baggage is a bad thing. We carry baggage because we refuse to let it go. We think that we always must have it with us.

Cast all your cares on Him; for he cares for you. 1 Peter 5:7

When we carry a chip on our shoulder it is at its root just pride. Pride is the most difficult, deepest set sin that besets us.

And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors. Matt 6:12

And you are right...............I preach forgiveness, yet I carry this around, you are so right it is time to let it go.........forgive and move on. thanks............God Bless

[Scared Frenchman]

Tell me this: what were you hoping to accomplish by calling her a bigot?

The paragraphs above are wonderful... I can see you possibly getting her to ponder the good merits of organized religion, but at first all you did was call her a Bigot.

Let's clear this up:

How shallow and bigoted of you to make this statement.

That's different than saying "You're a bigot". The definition of bigoted: "utterly intolerant of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from one's own." Condemning organized religion as a crock shows intolerance. It's furthered by her statement of saying she does not support it on any level. She made a bigoted statement. I didn't say she was a bigot.

I'm sure if someone made a comment about pitbulls she would try to educate them with endearing stories about her personal pitbulls and not call them idiots or something similar from the start.

I disagree. I seem to recall some pretty harsh exchanges with regards to pit bulls being labeled as dangerous in past threads. And for clarification, I never called her an idiot.

[bob]

And you are right...............I preach forgiveness, yet I carry this around, you are so right it is time to let it go.........forgive and move on. thanks............God Bless

Easier said than done, I know.

[blondegirl86]

Let's clear this up:



That's different than saying "You're a bigot". The definition of bigoted: "utterly intolerant of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from one's own." Condemning organized religion as a crock shows intolerance. It's furthered by her statement of saying she does not support it on any level. She made a bigoted statement. I didn't say she was a bigot.



I disagree. I seem to recall some pretty harsh exchanges with regards to pit bulls being labeled as dangerous in past threads. And for clarification, I never called her an idiot.

Ok now answer what you were trying to accomplish with your response. Is it not somewhat bigoted of you to have that response to her and not accept her beliefs as her own?

[HoustonTX]

What are your feelings?

I think your son had as much right to be there as anyone else, and I wouldn't be interested much in attending a church that enforced that rule. I think they're being a bit obnoxious. I have a couple of fond memories involving a stern whisper from my mother to put my dress down and be still when I was but a youngster, flopping around during the service. I still have difficulty sitting still for long periods of time. I like having children in the service. When they turn around I make funny faces at them. I am but a child, myself.

[sherlockhomer]

Oh my goodness. Jason on KWEL just said this and I had to come share it here. He said...

Going to church doesn't make you a Christian anymore than going into a garage makes you a car.

[TXMisfits]

Oh my goodness. Jason on KWEL just said this and I had to come share it here. He said...

Going to church doesn't make you a Christian anymore than going into a garage makes you a car.

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Love it!

[txb&b]

Some churches have lost their way. Some big time, some in tiny ways. Jim Jones and his faithful staff forced their captive congregation to commit suicide. Some churches have protected and covered up for their child molesting priests instead of protecting their flock from those priests. Some tell their flock to dig deep and give til it hurts, trying them guilt them into thinking the more they give the more holy they are while using the collection to support a lavish life style. Some ask a widowed mother to leave b/c her child was talking during the sermon.

But there are many churches and congregations that still follow in God's footsteps. They follow you out when you leave the sermon early, ask what they can do to help, clean you up and pray for your sick child. They do their best to minister to the needs of all they come in contact with, not just their members. Rae - whether by good fortune or God's will, you have been given the answer you sought. Go with God.

[its me]

Your son would not have bothered me at all............we had a young man at my church yesterday that was very distracting. Small church (about 40).....church starts 11 about 11:30 man comes in (prob mid 20s) sits on back row where a couple of elderly ladies sit. Kept talking (not amen, etc--just talking) After 15-20 mins he said I have had enough and got up and stomped out talking the whole time. One of our deacons followed him out to see what was wrong and he had a few choice words to say to him. Not sure what his problem was....................unless he recognized my Pastor from his other job.

[Scared Frenchman]

Ok now answer what you were trying to accomplish with your response. Is it not somewhat bigoted of you to have that response to her and not accept her beliefs as her own?

What was I trying to accomplish? Perhaps that its not OK to condemn an entirety in the manner she did. We have many people here who belong to an organized religion, who constantly pray for each other and give words of encouragement. Those people are in this very thread giving words of encouragement to a member who had a bad experience. Yet, we're supposed to ignore a generalization and be positive. I don't buy that. Had it been an attack on someone's gender, race, or sexual orientation, I would have been the same.

And no, its not bigoted of me to call out a statement. You will notice that I agree in part with her assertion that some churches fail in the department of doing the right thing. I do not stand intolerant of her views of what faith is, even though I disagree with her. I do, however, stand in oppostion of condemning all organized religion.

[rpatterson]

That is really strange. I hope that the deacons were able to talk to him and find out why he was there, if he was upset about something, or perhaps not thinking clearly.

[Lacey]

Sounds like the guy is a schrizophrenic or has some other disorder.