Saints Coach Is Suspended for a Year Over Bounties

[bob]

if you can intentionally injure someone by giving a clean, solid hit, then you are playing the game the way it is meant to be played.

intent is important. Football is a risky sport. But the intent of a hit is to stop momentum, and good players know that you can't count on a hit to stop a player, you block them or you wrap them up. I've watched a lot of showboating big hits that did nothing to stop a big play. And the Saints are a good example of that, their defense wasn't stellar last year. Could that be because players were focusing on injuring their opponent for cash rather than effective blocking and coverage?

There is no such thing as unintentionally hurting another player with a clean hit. If they get hurt, then they get hurt. You give them your best every single snap, regardless.

Are you suggesting all injuries from clean hits are intentional injuries? A lot of guys would have some heavy hearts if their coaches told them that after a player gets injured.

Besides, and like I said, if you see the little stickers on the high school football players helmet, that is nothing more than a "bounty". Since they can't give cash, they give public recognition (better than money, honestly). But make no mistake....every single coach in football at all levels coaches his players (and wants his players) to make each and every game extremely uncomfortable for the opposing team.

I never had a coach say, "Boys, the game of football is about injuring the opposing players, thereby giving our team an advantage."
We aren't talking about rewards for good play. The players were being rewarded only if an opposing player was injured and taken our of play, and they were rewarded more if they were taken out the game.

[bob]

what you are describing here is dirty football. It only takes a few lbs of pressure to snap a neck....so it isn't "big hits" that are being sought in dirty football. It is effective game enders that are being sought.

Exactly, the bounty wasn't for a big hit. It was for an injury. No injury, no extra money. Sounds dirty to me.

[bigfatfurrytexan]

[QUOTE=bob;735904][QUOTE=bigfatfurrytexan;735901]if you can intentionally injure someone by giving a clean, solid hit, then you are playing the game the way it is meant to be played.

intent is important. Football is a risky sport. But the intent of a hit is to stop momentum, and good players know that you can't count on a hit to stop a player, you block them or you wrap them up. I've watched a lot of showboating big hits that did nothing to stop a big play. And the Saints are a good example of that, their defense wasn't stellar last year. Could that be because players were focusing on injuring their opponent for cash rather than effective blocking and coverage?
Are you suggesting all injuries from clean hits are intentional injuries? A lot of guys would have some heavy hearts if their coaches told them that after a player gets injured.
I never had a coach say, "Boys, the game of football is about injuring the opposing players, thereby giving our team an advantage."
We aren't talking about rewards for good play. The players were being rewarded only if an opposing player was injured and taken our of play, and they were rewarded more if they were taken out the game.

what they usually say are things that tap dance around it. My coaches never told me to injure anyone, but i was regularly told to "make them hurt". That is playing hard to most....but underlying meanings are key.

[bob]

[QUOTE=bigfatfurrytexan;735906][QUOTE=bob;735904]

if you can intentionally injure someone by giving a clean, solid hit, then you are playing the game the way it is meant to be played.

what they usually say are things that tap dance around it. My coaches never told me to injure anyone, but i was regularly told to "make them hurt". That is playing hard to most....but underlying meanings are key.

Make the hurt is not the same as take them out.

[dngnb8]

Make the hurt is not the same as take them out.

Oh contraire, when this story first broke, Mike Golic on Mike and Mike said they do all sorts of things so someone cant play that game. Things like knowing someone has a strained calf muscle, and when they are in the stack, as they get up, they will grind an elbow into the calf, or step on it in hopes it sidelines them.

This stuff happens all the time.

[bob]

Oh contraire, when this story first broke, Mike Golic on Mike and Mike said they do all sorts of things so someone cant play that game. Things like knowing someone has a strained calf muscle, and when they are in the stack, as they get up, they will grind an elbow into the calf, or step on it in hopes it sidelines them.

This stuff happens all the time.

Of course it does, but should it be encouraged?

[dngnb8]

Of course it does, but should it be encouraged?

You dont think it isnt? The only difference between the Saints and the NFL, is they were dumb enough to stipend the act. Players do it anyway. They will continue to do it, and all the faux media concern is more about Epeen then safety

[westtexasmom]

Back then players werent multimillion dollar investments. The game isnt back then any longer. Money has changed the game

BINGO............YOU HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD!!!

I want to see a good game, I do not condone hurting someone just for the sake of "you can"......or bounty either. I just hate seeing a game I love being torn apart. NFL has gone to hell........give me a good college game any day, not to say they don't have issue also.

[westtexasmom]

[QUOTE=bigfatfurrytexan;735906][QUOTE=bob;735904]

if you can intentionally injure someone by giving a clean, solid hit, then you are playing the game the way it is meant to be played.

what they usually say are things that tap dance around it. My coaches never told me to injure anyone, but i was regularly told to "make them hurt". That is playing hard to most....but underlying meanings are key.

That is why it it WAS a full contact sport.............pretty soon it will be the NFL FLAG LEAGUE!!!!

[t1]

It sounds to me like a bunch of women are making this decision.

[bob]

....Then Williams continued that theme in reference to Crabtree, the 10th overall pick of the 2009 NFL draft: “We need to decide whether Crabtree wants to be a fake-ass prima donna or he wants to be a tough guy. We need to find that out, and he becomes human when you [expletive] take out that outside ACL.”

At that point, Williams turned his attention to Gore and Pro Bowl tight end Vernon Davis, saying, “We need to decide on how many times we can meet Frank Gore’s head. We need to decide how many times we can bull rush and we can [expletive] clip Vernon Davis’ ankles over the pile … respect comes from them fearing us.”
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[Vendetta]

^^^^^^
That's messed up.

His career is over after all this has come out.

[dngnb8]

Most players are okay with most of the speech. Where players are having issues is when he mentions Crabtrees ACL. Players know that knees mean careers.

Most speeches are testosterone filled rants to pump players up. Statement like, take them out, kill them, etc are used often. These are general statements, and not meant as directives on particular players with career impact results.

Williams will never see work in the NFL again. The real question is how much will Peyton be held accountable for Williams coaching style.

[westtexasmom]

Most players are okay with most of the speech. Where players are having issues is when he mentions Crabtrees ACL. Players know that knees mean careers.

Most speeches are testosterone filled rants to pump players up. Statement like, take them out, kill them, etc are used often. These are general statements, and not meant as directives on particular players with career impact results.

Williams will never see work in the NFL again. The real question is how much will Peyton be held accountable for Williams coaching style.

Agree.............

[westtexasmom]

Back then players werent multimillion dollar investments. The game isnt back then any longer. Money has changed the game

BINGO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WINNER WINNER CHICKEN DINNER (as stuck likes to say)